Horse Hauling 101 with Second Wind Stable Transport

[00:00:00] Lindsay: Oh hey, it's me, that nervous poop that your horse left on the horse trailer that's now frozen there because it was negative nine degrees when you took him to the vet and you thought you could get away without putting extra bedding down. I'll be here until spring. Well, speaking of trailers, today's episode is all going to be about horse hauling 101 with our professional equine transport.

[00:00:24] Whether you If you own a trailer, or you think that your horse is going to be at your farm forever until the day they die, trust me, y'all need to know what an emergency horse hauler can do for you and have everybody's name and number in your emergency contact list for when something happens at your farm.

[00:00:46] Stick with us, even though our audio quality was a little off to some technical difficulties, but the information is invaluable because you're listening to Rochester Trail Riders.[00:01:00] 

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[00:01:05] We are here tonight at Easton's again, so if you hear anything in the background. I'm gonna try to get rid of it, but you know, the place is rowdy and we love Pam, so something might happen in here. But tonight, we're hanging out with good old Jen from Second Wind Stable Transport.

[00:01:22] I think is the proper way to do that. How you doing tonight, Jen?

[00:01:24] Jennifer: I'm great. How are you? Fabulous. Probably better since you bought me a drink. 

[00:01:29] Lindsay: Drinks do help. That's why we sit here. Loosens it up just a bit. Gets us going. But I invited you out tonight because I wanted to talk about professional equine transport and understanding if you don't have a horse and trailer or even if you do because I've called you in the past and I'm perfectly capable of getting my horse from point A to point B unless I'm on a road trip to Indiana.

[00:01:55] Yeah. Or I just don't have time to deal with it and [00:02:00] there's several of you guys in the area you and Mary. From CityView, I've used both of you and thank God we have professional transport in this area. You make our lives much better. And I wanted to have a discussion about what makes you a professional transporter and what are a few things that we can expect from, uh, hiring you for our services.

[00:02:24] What can people do to make sure that we have the correct, you know, like we're ready for you when you show up. And that kind of things. So We'll just jump right into it. And how in the world did you ever get into this? Because I've known you since you were teaching EMT kind of stuff. Yeah. How did you go from you save people's lives to let's go transport horses?

[00:02:49] Jennifer: Well, I've been around horses most of my life. My mother had horses, um, rode all over the Genesee Valley, all over Avon and Dream Valley. [00:03:00] Um, you know, through her childhood and teenage and early adult years, she actually got rid of her last horses when she was pregnant with me because she figured it just wasn't a good time to have a new baby.

[00:03:11] And she also had a mare with a foal at its side. So she just decided it was time to raise a kid. But you know, she got me into horses quite young. And for any of you that have been in this area for any length of time and um, Houston. My first pony w she was not, I was on the I was in the saddle. I th me how to fall off.

[00:03:38] So th ponies, she was rotten an at the same time. 

[00:03:42] Lindsay: My favo online or just get, you k 

[00:03:47] Jennifer: right over the shoulders Um, but they were always In the sideline, all through school, I had horses and then, um, I sold my horse when I was going to [00:04:00] college to, um, another local horse woman, Jean Batesing, Batesing Farms in Caledonia, and, uh, she retired and lived out her life there.

[00:04:08] And then I moved with my now ex husband, but out to West Sparta, and I was like, well, if I'm going to live out here, there's one condition. I need to have a horse, because I wasn't really sure what else I was going to do out there. So, um, they kind of came back into my world. And then, uh, we opened up, um, Second Wind Stable in Scottsville, and started boarding, and we had 18 horses.

[00:04:32] And there was just a need. Um, there was a need for Horses going into equine clinics for things that just weren't great to do on the farm. Um, you know, x rays, minor procedures, that Gildings, yeah, 

[00:04:46] Lindsay: yeah, yeah. Just, 

[00:04:47] Jennifer: you know, they needed to go in. So it started with little local things, people moving barn to barn, you know, between Monroe, Livingston, Wayne, Ontario County, like nothing really big.

[00:04:57] Yeah. And all those little clients [00:05:00] started building into big clients and And then I started, okay, well, maybe like Virginia will be my furthest South and, you know, Maine will be kind of up into New England. And then all of a sudden I was in Louisiana and Texas and all over the place. So like, that's kind of the, you know, the reader.

[00:05:21] And that escalated fast. It did escalate fast. But like you said, you know, there's a lot of people with. equipment, but for whatever reason, some of my clients have beautiful equipment, but they also teach or they also breed and they weigh the cost of taking themselves out of that job for the day or for a weekend, depending on where they're shipping a horse versus hiring someone to do it.

[00:05:49] Lindsay: That way, that right there is exactly why I've hired you on separate occasions. Because for me to actually leave my day job, come [00:06:00] home, get my whole rig up and running, spend all that time, like, that's what you do. That's what I'm paying you for. It is much more cost efficient and time efficient. Absolutely.

[00:06:12] And you being an actual professional, we'll get into this as to what makes you a professional on it. is, is, takes the weight off of me. Like, I know your equipment's in good repair and ready to go, and that you're going to treat them like it was your own horse. 

[00:06:28] Jennifer: Absolutely. Absolutely. That's one of the biggest components of it, I think, is understanding that everybody's horse is a million dollar horse.

[00:06:36] Yeah, doesn't matter if it was a, you know, a free rescue, it's whoever is getting it, it's their million dollar horse. Oh, that's a great attitude. So, I mean, you, you have to do it. You know, the other thing, too, I don't think people realize is, especially with the emergency runs, you may have your own truck and trailer, and it may be in fine working order, and it may be perfect road conditions, but sometimes when [00:07:00] you get to the point that you've been dealing with your vet on the farm for so many hours, and now you've made that call that you need to go to more, um, definitive hospital care, your nerves are shot, you're tired, you haven't eaten, you haven't showered, you've been walking a colicky horse in the snow for 12 hours.

[00:07:19] God, I didn't even think about that and you're right. Yeah, and you know, sometimes it's just a good decision that you don't get behind the wheel because you're worried about the cargo behind you.

[00:07:32] Lindsay: I, um, when we first bought our farm, I had my big Tennessee walking horse, Goliath, and I had my little Arabian, 

[00:07:41] Hobby, 

[00:07:42] who I got married on them.

[00:07:44] Jennifer: Yeah, that shows. I 

[00:07:47] Lindsay: got married in October. Hobby blew out her knee. By that January and I had to put her down by February is when I stopped doing treatment and we took her up the Rush Pet [00:08:00] Cemetery and getting to the Pet Cemetery was one thing. You're trailing a live horse. Everything's okay. You have not made that decision to put her down.

[00:08:08] We walked her to her grave site and put her down that drive home. Yeah, I should not have been behind a wheel. Absolutely. Husband should not have been behind a wheel. If I had any inkling, I was literally three months into owning a farm and a rig, three months. If I had known there was a service like yours, I would have hired you a hundred times over.

[00:08:32] Cause that drive home was the hardest thing I ever had to do. I couldn't see. I was crying so hard. 

[00:08:38] Jennifer: And I mean, it's a huge emotional aspect. And you know, I think one of the biggest times it sticks out in my head was during COVID. We, you know, we, we were still hauling and the runs to Cornell, you know, Cornell wasn't letting the owners into the hospital.

[00:08:53] So, you know, here I am picking up at the farm and, you know, they're trying to decide, you know, am I saying goodbye? Right. [00:09:00] You know, cause there was no point in them going, they, you know, they couldn't go in and, you know, just thinking of, you know, these owners trying to make that drive and the state of mind that they're in at that point, like.

[00:09:14] It's just maybe not a great decision. Not that, you know, I enjoy seeing or having a sick horse in the trailer, either. They're horses. We all, you know, we're in this business because we loved them. 

[00:09:23] Lindsay: You have that emotional detachment, 

[00:09:25] Jennifer: though. And it is. It's different when it's not yours. And also, you know, I was in EMS and public safety for over 20 years prior to this.

[00:09:34] So I think that kind of pops into my head. And, you know, kind of like when we first got here and we were saying, you know, a horse ambulance. Well, that's kind of how I think of it, you know. That I have to get them quickly, safely, legally from point A to point B and not have the emotional Yeah. But it's a small horse world.

[00:09:57] Like we all know each other, we know about horses. We see picture. You picture. [00:10:00] Yeah. You, you're gonna 

[00:10:00] Lindsay: feel bad. Yeah. But yeah, as you said, you, you came from that EMT kind of world. Yeah. Where that attachment's still there. You've just had that training to compartmentalize. 

[00:10:11] Jennifer: Yeah. It just has to go over there until I'm not, until I can deal 

[00:10:14] Lindsay: with it.

[00:10:14] Yeah. And. It's funny is nowadays I have that ability to do that better.

[00:10:19] Jennifer: Yes. 

[00:10:20] Lindsay: But man, three months into owning your own farm and rig and everything, I do not have that capability. Now I can be like, okay, look, you will have time to destroy yourself later. 

[00:10:31] Jennifer: Yes, we have a job to do right now. 

[00:10:33] Lindsay: We have to do this right this second.

[00:10:34] As soon as you pull it in, you turn that key off. You can lose it, but until then, don't. Um, so one question I have is, what makes you a professional transporter? What qualifications, uh, what, what makes you legal on the road to transport horses? 

[00:10:56] Jennifer: Yeah, so the biggest thing is, [00:11:00] is if you're doing this for hire, if you're making money doing horse transport, or really livestock transport, or whatever you're transporting, um, You have to have a DOT number.

[00:11:13] Lindsay: People don't. 

[00:11:14] Jennifer: No, and it, you know, I see all these posts like, Hey, you know, I'm going to get a horse for myself in Indiana, and I have an extra spot on my trailer, all the way there and all the way back, or whatever. What it entails as far as being professional is a, we have DOT certification, which means that we have to file reports, we have to prove hours on the road, we have to have commercial insurance, and it's a good checks and balances of, you know, are these people safe, is their equipment good, is everything up to date, we have to submit reports with our trips, how long were we on the road for how many days per week, you know, and they're [00:12:00] checking, are we fatigued?

[00:12:02] Lindsay: Really, you know, make sure that, you know, great. You, you just drove 14 hours to go pick up your horse. Are you doing a turn and burn? Right. Your 14 hours is your limit. You're not coming back. 

[00:12:11] Jennifer: Let's face it, as horse people, we do a lot of turning and burning because time is money and you know, for the backyard horse person, they often have jobs and families and kids outside.

[00:12:23] So they are turning and burning. Mm hmm. So, you know, the big thing I tell people is, oh, well, I found a friend that can do it. And I'm like, hey, you know that. Good luck. But what you n us having commercial ins Yeah. And let's face it, great on the road and I w I don't really so much worry about myself because I know when I need to speed up or slow down or stop.

[00:12:54] Right. You're comfortable with your rig. Yeah. Other people don't know, like, [00:13:00] it's going to take me a little bit longer to stop. I can't just slam on the brakes and throw a mom and baby around in that box, you know. Or just the sheer weight of it. I have three big draft horses in there, I'm just not gonna stop as quickly as you think.

[00:13:13] But if you hire a friend or just someone that's making a run and you put your horse on and something happens, you could be sued as part of, because, oh gosh, I never thought of it that way. You're not with a commercially insured hauler. 

[00:13:33] Lindsay: And that really complicates things because you are giving money to somebody.

[00:13:38] Yes. That is doing a little under table gig. 

[00:13:42] Jennifer: Yeah, and sadly for us that you know Those of us that are doing this legally it's tough because yeah We're probably gonna charge more than someone that's just making a run or offering to do it out of the kindness of their heart but it's because of the insurances that we carry and The rigors we put our equipment [00:14:00] through to make sure it's safe.

[00:14:01] Lindsay: Oh gosh Yeah, I know but I like watching you and Mary online and the number of times you're in and out of a shop Just, hey, my truck or my trailer just didn't feel right this run and just to have it paid to check out. Absolutely. Like, how many times I go, what was that sound? Ah, I'll be fine. I'll worry about it two times from now.

[00:14:20] And look, I just recently had all my brakes seized on my trailer. 

[00:14:23] Jennifer: Yeah, I mean, it's amazing. But they fell off. And especially this time of year when you have all that salt and sand and grime under your, you know, under your trucks and trailers, like, it's just something that you have to be really cognizant of.

[00:14:35] Lindsay: And I, I take my trailer and every single year I have it inspected and I have everything done proper to it and my brakes still fell off my trailer. Yeah. Fell off. Wedge themselves and lock the wheels.

[00:14:46] Jennifer: And you hope that, you know, everybody that has a truck and trailer does. But they don't. But they don't.

[00:14:52] But who's to say that's not the person you just Saw online that was, Hey, I'm making a quick run to Kentucky. You know, if you wanting to throw your horse on with me, you know, [00:15:00] and they get in an accident and now you have this, 

[00:15:01] Lindsay: when was the last time they checked their floors and you know, make sure they're, your horses fall from the floor.

[00:15:06] They're thrilled. 

[00:15:07] Jennifer: And now you as the horse owner, as part of that suit because they don't have commercial insurance. So it's something to really think about. 

[00:15:14] Lindsay: Or you pass them on the road and the horse heads are sticking up at the triage. 

[00:15:17] Jennifer: My hand's up on the side of my head going, Where was I? I 

[00:15:22] Lindsay: actually, like, There's a Facebook group that I'm on.

[00:15:27] You're probably on it too. The taller group there, where They respond to horses that get decapitated

[00:15:33] Jennifer: Yes, yes. And you know, like, okay, this 

[00:15:36] Lindsay: happened, now what do you do? Because, you know, their whole thing is How do you get the horse out? What could have been prevented? You know, what was the rescued effort?

[00:15:44] You know, that's what that group does. And I'm just like, just put the window, 

[00:15:49] Jennifer: please put 

[00:15:53] Lindsay: the grill up. 

[00:15:56] Jennifer: This is really easy. 

[00:15:58] Lindsay: You don't want your horse decapitated. You [00:16:00] keep it inside.

[00:16:00] Jennifer: Their big eyes and like all the stuff flying through the sky, you know, like I worry about my dog hanging her head out the window, you know, but as far as being professional at, you know, it's.

[00:16:14] It's more that. I think it's, you know, having horse handling experience. You need to know, like, do they look okay while we're traveling? 

[00:16:22] Lindsay: Especially if you're doing emergency runs. Yeah. Yeah. Cornell's two hours away. That's a long two hours with a sick horse. 

[00:16:29] Jennifer: Yeah. And especially when it's. It's crappy weather.

[00:16:31] It's even a longer two hours.

[00:16:33] Lindsay: So do you do cameras? Like, how do you know a horse is doing okay back there? I 

[00:16:36] Jennifer: do. Um, I use a camera called Equine Eye, um, and they're just set up that it feeds right to my phone. So like, if I'm at a stoplight or have it to me, I can just do a quick pull in, take a peek if it's, you know, not convenient to hop out at that point.

[00:16:51] Um, but I generally like an emergency run from this general area, you know, the Monroe Livingston area. Um, I generally make [00:17:00] one stop, and just get in and actually lay hands on eyes and just take a, take a quick look. The last few weeks has been rough with colics. I mean, our weather's been all over the board.

[00:17:13] I've had horses down in the trailer that thankfully, as I'm pulling into Cornell, they're up in the trailer and, you know, being able to peek in on them is very helpful, even on the non emergency. 

[00:17:27] Lindsay: I can't remember if it was me that trailered. I've been to Cornell so many times. Random things where just the trip to Cornell cured them.

[00:17:36] Knowing it might have been one of yours. 

[00:17:38] Jennifer: No doubt. Like, I, I just, one of my most recent ones, they're like, Oh, you know, the horse hasn't made any manure. 36 hours and I'm like, oh, I just pulled into Cornell. Or, you 

[00:17:49] Lindsay: know, I've actually had the vet go, yeah, first, you know, you're going for surgery, have a nice day.

[00:17:53] By the time they show up, they're like, that's fine. It's all good. Can I hire you just to drive around the blocks sometimes? No, [00:18:00] you 

[00:18:00] Jennifer: know, I, you know, I tell people. You know, they, well, I'll get calls from some of my regular clients. I have the vet coming, but they're on another emergency or there are two more emergencies in front of me.

[00:18:10] Do you want me to just come, we'll get loaded and go for a ride around the block or go for like 20 or 30 minutes while we're waiting for them to come and just see? I do have to charge you. It's still fuel and time and the vet is still going to charge you to come out, but it's still going to be a lot less than Cornell.

[00:18:25] Lindsay: Lot less than Cornell,

[00:18:27] Jennifer: you know, and a lot less traumatic for everybody. So yeah, I mean, I, I have no problem doing that. 

[00:18:33] Lindsay: It's, I gotta tell you, I was in a little bumpy, and then take the back roads. I think I've actually told you with my one thoroughbred mare coming to my house, who was coming back to my place, by the way, to be euthanized.

[00:18:47] Yes. Because she torsed. And I'm like, take every back road, take every railroad track, turn, you name it. She walked off that trailer and saved her own life. Yeah, she's like, I'm good. Can't believe it. Gotta love a trailer, right? [00:19:00] All right, so let's talk about equipment. What do you use? I know you might have a couple of rigs.

[00:19:06] Set up. So what rings do you have? 

[00:19:09] Jennifer: We have two setups together. Um, we have an F two 50 and an F three 50. The F two fifties generally hooked to, um, a 2023 hawk to worse. I love this trailer. It's like my older, Adam that I had when we got all the, all of this started. So is it a bumper pull or two? This is the bumper pull.

[00:19:29] It's generally my Cornell trailer unless I need the box, or my local trailer. But the nice thing about it is even though it's a two horse, it has the front offload. So I don't have to back anything off. I can walk them off the front. Uh, makes it super helpful for, uh, neurologic horses that aren't going to back real confidently or safely.

[00:19:50] Makes for great. I don't have a driveway. We're loading at the road. I can put that side ramp, you know, on either trailer up and get them in. I can back them into the slot [00:20:00] if I have to, you know, it just makes for some Safer options. I always think, you know, worst case scenario, if I ever had to unload for an emergency reason on the side of the road, I'd rather have a siding, I'd rather come out the side of the trailer than back them into traffic.

[00:20:17] Yeah. You know, 

[00:20:18] Lindsay: as somebody who actually blew a tire, um, on a Pennsylvania highway. And as we all know, Pennsylvania does not believe in shoulders. No, not at all. Period. Uh, most terrifying point in my life. And I was like, Holy crap. If I have to get these horses off the trailer, I'm screwed. I'm gonna have to call.

[00:20:34] Yeah, yeah. Thankfully, I was only a mile from an exit that had a big, huge, empty parking lot. I want that trailer to that parking lot. Yeah, that was. Yeah. Thank you, Pennsylvania. 

[00:20:47] Jennifer: Oh, absolutely. So the second rig, um, we have enough 3 50 and that hauls generally. I have a two plus one oversized Logan coach.

[00:20:58] oversized. The box is just [00:21:00] a few feet bigger than a typical two plus one. Um, I was just finding that we're breeding bigger and bigger horses these days. I speak for yourself. I like the little, I know somebody as tall as you. That makes me giggle. But, um, you know, some of these mood mares, I'm like, holy cow, like, they got some big moms and babies going in that box stall.

[00:21:26] Lindsay: Kim and I did that trip and she's got a hawk and she, when she was uh, doing hers, they're like, do you have any friends with short horses? She goes, yes, make sure I have adjusted enough. She was like, speaking to me. And she gets a kick out of it because her horse is 17 hands something, and then Pete's like 15 and she's like, look at the, look at the fun bars!

[00:21:45] Jennifer: You know, and that, that brings up a really good point. Like, you know, when people talk to me about hiring me to take their horse and I'll say, well, what size is the horse? And they're like, well, it's a miniature pony. And I'm like, all right, I'm going to bring the big trailer. And they're like, Why? [00:22:00] Why? And I'm like, because it's going to be too little to go in the strange stuff.

[00:22:03] Lindsay: I need a box to put 

[00:22:05] it in. I need a box. 

[00:22:07] Jennifer: You do. You walk up this little teeny tiny thing into this big jar. I love when I have like, you know, this little micro mini something, and I open the side of, you know, a 30 foot trailer, and it's like, oh, hello. 

[00:22:19] Lindsay: Sup? Yeah, but you know what? The littles have the personality to fit that box.

[00:22:23] Absolutely. 

[00:22:24] Jennifer: Absolutely. You know, ponies are Ponies and minis are, uh, something else. Halflingers are my nemesis, and I'm sorry to everybody that has a halflinger, but they're always the clowns in the trailer. I, I had one one day that I was coming through, I think I was in Pen Yen when I actually had problem number one.

[00:22:45] So I, I picked the horse up in Syracuse, and I forget where I was going, but I was coming down like 14, and I don't know, I was that way. And all of a sudden I felt, I had the two horse trailer and I felt it wiggling around and I looked in the camera and I'm like, [00:23:00] What the heck is going on back there? And I get back there and he's got his front legs up over the chest bar.

[00:23:05] And he's just hanging out eating hay and I open the side door and he looks at me like, Oh hey, what's up? So I'm like, what are you doing? So, what I pulled over was a fire department parking lot and thankfully there were a couple guys there. They had just had a run and they were cleaning up and I'm like, can you guys give me a little hand?

[00:23:22] I just need some when I encourage him to back off the bar, he it's I'm gonna have to drop the bar. And then I rearranged his ties. I thought like, I'm going to cross tie you really low. Thought I was good. About an hour later, I feel him fiddling back there again. And he had like completely broken the crown off his halter.

[00:23:45] And he's sitting there with the nose piece and the cross ties hanging, but there's 

[00:23:50] Lindsay: There's nothing over the top. 

[00:23:50] Jennifer: Nothing over the top. And I'm like, I don't think I like you. What are you doing? And the funny thing was, I was taking him on a trial, and like three weeks later I get a call. Can you [00:24:00] go get the pony and return him?

[00:24:01] He's too much for this owner. And I'm like, you're going to the box stall. 

[00:24:05] Lindsay: That explains it. I knew that wasn't happening. 

[00:24:08] Jennifer: You're just getting romper room in the box stall. It's all you, Bella. 

[00:24:13] Lindsay: Well, I think we talked about special features with all the ramps and everything and, you know, just boxed all of her straight.

[00:24:18] So, um, safety protocols, like when you're, you're looking to pick up a horse, are there safety things that you run through? Do you, how do you inspect your rig? What is it that you're looking for? Because I imagine you do this per rung. 

[00:24:34] Jennifer: Yeah. Yeah. So definitely like the biggest thing and even. Per run per day, so like after the rig's been parked all night if I, you know, I'm at a hotel for a night, the biggest thing I look at, obviously, is the hitch.

[00:24:47] Like, is it still connected? I mean, people mess with things. Well, right. And, you know, I, I've parked, I've been in some iffy areas after offloading into some cities and you just don't know. [00:25:00] So, you know, the biggest thing I do is kind of run through the hitch and just make sure that that's still completely, everything's safely hooked, hitched and, you know, um, Okay.

[00:25:10] But then obviously lights. It's kind of a standing joke with my Ford's. Um, my one truck loves to blow through headlights and it's, it's a pain right in the neck because you have to about take the whole front of the truck off to change the headlight. Of course, make it easy. So like one blue, we replaced it.

[00:25:26] And then like two weeks later, the opposite one blue, like, and it was just like chaos and it's gotten to be a joke. So people will pass me that know about this and we'll say, you have a headlight out. And I'm like, no, I don't. And I don't, but they just know that, you know, that's kind of my thing with these trucks.

[00:25:41] So, obviously, your headlights, brakes, the trailer brake, um, you know, just running through fluids. You know, is everything okay?

[00:25:52] Lindsay: The truck is your livelihood, so I'd imagine you're going to pay attention to it. 

[00:25:56] Jennifer: Yeah, I mean, you figure you're running down the road with a hundred plus thousand [00:26:00] dollars worth of equipment, plus your cargo.

[00:26:02] Lindsay: Um, I used to work on a, on a racetrack and, I found it fascinating that the horses were worth more than me, right? I'm sure you have got clients where you're just going, this animal that I just picked up is worth more than this entire rig. And those rigs, truck and trailer are not cheap. I'm sure they're running between 100, for the whole setup altogether.

[00:26:26] And then put an animal on board. Yeah, are there any national guidelines or federal guidelines you have to follow for doing horse transport? 

[00:26:34] Jennifer: Yeah, so, the FMCSA, the Federal Motor Carriers, they have some requirements for size and weight. And, um, I am lucky right now, I am just under needing a CBL.

[00:26:50] Um, so there's me and then I have another guy that drives for me and another woman that drives. for me, you know, very pretty in part time basis. Keith, who many of you have met, [00:27:00] he does have a CDL. Um, but my rigs are just under the weight that we don't need them. If I were to go up to a dually or a little bit heavier of a trailer, I would have to go at it.

[00:27:11] It's no big deal. It's the CDL test is not, it's, it's just one of those things, you know, it's like a non issue, but right now it keeps us nice. We're, under 26, 001. I think it is. It's an odd, uh, number. We're under that weight. So we're good. But we do have to maintain all that reporting of, you know, what have we changed out our rigs?

[00:27:40] Are they still under the weight? And they will check them at DOT stops. 

[00:27:45] Lindsay: And that's the thing is your commercial vehicle. You have DOT numbers. You are required to stop at those flashing lights, you know, at the next intersection, you know, stop over type of thing.

[00:27:56] Jennifer: And you best have, you know, your triangles [00:28:00] and your flares and your fire extinguisher and All your horse paperwork.

[00:28:04] Everyone that gets mad at me saying, you know, can you just run a horse over the line into Pennsylvania? I still need a health certificate. 

[00:28:11] Lindsay: So let's talk about horse certificates. What, what, if you were running across, we'll keep it in the country and we'll say running across state lines, what does an owner need to transport a horse across state lines?

[00:28:23] Jennifer: So minimally we need a negative Coggins and a health certificate or some people will, you'll hear the term CVI, Certificate of Veterinary Inspection. to cross any state lines. 

[00:28:34] Lindsay: Do you know how long those are? I think they're 30 days, if I remember. 

[00:28:37] Jennifer: Health certificates, yes. Coggins are interesting, and you have to look because the states that are connecting, they're generally a year, but some of them are, they want them within six months.

[00:28:50] Some of them are two years. Every state's a little different. 

[00:28:53] Lindsay: And some of them I learned are, like, calendar year versus one year from the date that you [00:29:00] did it. So, yeah, congratulations, you got your Coggins in November, from January 1, it's invalid. 

[00:29:07] Jennifer: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um, the other fun one is Canada. 

[00:29:12] Lindsay: For international, because you do international.

[00:29:14] Jennifer: Yeah, I do. I will go into Canada, it's not my favorite thing. 

[00:29:19] Lindsay: We love Canada. We just don't love coming back. 

[00:29:23] Jennifer: Yeah, they're really strict on paperwork. So during COVID, when they shut the border down, unless you were a commercial vehicle, um, I had a lot of people hiring me to go because they couldn't go up personally and pick up a horse or maybe they had a broodmare up there that needed to return or, you know, whatever the case may be.

[00:29:41] So my first trip up during COVID, I went up, had No problem crossing into Canada. They asked me, you know, do you have everything you need to come back? Do you know how you're doing? Yep. No problem. I get back to the border. I'm talking to the US Customs agent and he looks at the paperwork and he [00:30:00] said You're missing the, the date, the birth date on the international health certificate and the Coggins were off and something was weird and we're not going to let you through and they police escorted me.

[00:30:14] I mean, customs, right? Police lights and sirens back over to go into Canada. So that now I'm just a Canadian agent and he says, what's your, you. destination. And at this point, like, I'm nervous, 

[00:30:27] nervous, laugh, half crying. I'm like, Rochester, New York. And he's like, well, you're in the wrong lane. I'm like, I know 

[00:30:34] it was like something 

[00:30:35] so stupid and we had to call because you have to broker horses that go in and out of Canada because they're a commodity. And everyone wants their piece of the financial pie. So, you know, I had a client yesterday say, Hey, you know, I'm looking at a horse in Canada.

[00:30:51] I seem to be able to get more bang for my buck buying a horse in Canada. I said, well, hold up, 

[00:30:56] Lindsay: time out, wait till you hit customs. 

[00:30:59] Jennifer: I said, [00:31:00] so when somebody hauls a horse, you know, you, we need to broker them. And I said, the broker is going to ask for a bill of sale and it's going to be a percentage that you're going to have to pay at customs.

[00:31:09] And Oh, that might change. Yes. So, um, yeah, having paperwork in order, um, is a huge priority. And, and, it, it's a pain, yes, but it's required, so we do it. And also, if your horse is on with other horses, you want those other horses to be healthy. Yeah. I mean, they're in a stressful situation, they're being transported, and that's where, you know.

[00:31:35] Lindsay: Your immune system has problems, and you don't want things flaring up. Absolutely. 

[00:31:39] Jennifer: Yeah, absolutely. So, it's just one of those things, you gotta do it. 

[00:31:43] Lindsay: So, we're on to the actual horses. Yeah. We show up to the place, we got all the paperwork in hand, we're ready to go. Walk me through getting that horse on a trailer.

[00:31:54] Jennifer: Well, first off, can I just say, like, this time of year, it is super helpful if you know I'm coming, [00:32:00] to have your driveway plowed and salted. 

[00:32:02] Lindsay: Man, you take all the fun out of it. Um. Well, I know like for me, like my driveway is a quarter mile long and you want to turn around there and usually I would, if I, if I turn that other one around in there, yeah, yeah, but like this time of year, I don't plan my driveway.

[00:32:16] I'd be like, dude, we're loading at the road. 

[00:32:18] Jennifer: Yeah, and that's fine. If you tell me that and you're comfortable with, you know, having your horse at 

[00:32:22] Lindsay: the road. Um, that's where that side ramp comes in handy. Really 

[00:32:26] Jennifer: handy. Yeah, 

[00:32:27] Lindsay: really handy. It's also helpful to tell you What side to pull on? Am I going south? And that's where the side ramps gonna be.

[00:32:34] Or, I'm like, hey, pull north, and that's where that side ramp's gonna be, so. 

[00:32:38] Jennifer: And there's, you know, I'm gonna ask questions like, like, what's your driveway like? Am I backing in? Am I going to the road? Can I turn around? You know, I don't, even with the big trailer, if I just have a spot to do like a, a three point turn, I can generally whittle that thing around almost better than the little trailer some days.

[00:32:54] Lindsay: Well, yeah, you can drive right underneath it practically. 

[00:32:57] Jennifer: Yeah, yeah, you can, you can just [00:33:00] really turn those. It's amazing to me some days how much easier it is to wedge the big trailer into places than the little trailer. But, um, not, I can get those trucks through a lot. They're strong trucks. But, you know, when I say, you know, hey, can you plow and salt?

[00:33:15] If your horse is going to throw any bit of a temper tantrum about loading, you don't want him doing it on ice. You don't want them falling. And with the injuries. Well, and, and I don't want to get hurt doing it. I mean, let's be real honest here. Like, it's my safety, your safety, and the horse's safety. And you know, if you, it's one thing if I'm coming for a colic in the middle of the night.

[00:33:37] Like, but if you know I'm coming. 

[00:33:39] Lindsay: Have you ever gotten to the point where you're like, your horse doesn't get on the trailer, we're scrapping this? Like, do you have a time limit? Um, 

[00:33:46] Jennifer: yeah, there's been a couple times. Um. I, I don't have a time limit, but I, if it's more than a half an hour, I charge a little more on to the time for loading.

[00:33:59] At [00:34:00] that point you start to feel like you're kind of doing some training. Yeah. You know, you kind of go into a different role, like you're putting a different hat on for a little bit. The other thing I'm not opposed to doing is you saying, you know, hey, I got this horse.

[00:34:12] I haven't taken it anywhere. Will you come over and just do a loading session with me? 

[00:34:17] Lindsay: Okay. That's actually helpful. It's 

[00:34:19] Jennifer: helpful because the sad times when a horse won't load is when it's an emergency and they need to load. And the one thing I hate hearing Borsonos say is, well, I don't plan on ever taking my horse anywhere.

[00:34:33] You never know. You know, you have a barn fire, you have a big injury, you have, you know, you never know. So just put it into part of your training, 

[00:34:43] you know? One of the biggest things you can do is put a tarp or put a plank or put something down and have the horse walk onto it. Yeah. Put your feet where I want them.

[00:34:52] Lindsay: Pallet, pallet, one or two pallets and those big rubber mats. Yeah. Have at it. That's like, boom, done.

[00:34:58] Jennifer: Follow me where I need you to [00:35:00] go. And the other thing is not to, for me to be there early. If you have time, they'll do it quickly. If you don't have time, they're gonna sense that and they're, they're gonna fight you.

[00:35:13] So having a little bit of time to just say, okay, you know, no big deal. We're going for a ride and you know, they're generally going to get on a lot easier. 

[00:35:22] Lindsay: Nice. Um, what other factors will influence your pricing outside of the obvious of distance?

[00:35:30] Jennifer: Um, well, so I used to up until, um, this year, actually I was charging mileage. And then it kind of, I was having a conversation with my brother, who's kind of like my, my business set of ears lately. And we decided that, you know, charging by the hour is probably a better idea for reasons like that. Um, you know, generally I can give you a really good idea based on Google Maps or Garmin, or, you know, I can pretty much tell you that this [00:36:00] is what it costs.

[00:36:00] Lindsay: That doesn't tell you when you get to Cornell and there's six trailers in front of you. 

[00:36:04] Jennifer: Right. Or, construction. Like. It's not my fault or your fault, but it's still time and it's probably going to put me behind for the next pickup or the next delivery or, some other things that are huge factors. When I go to New York City to JFK or to Long Island, the George Washington Bridge costs me 115 to cross each way.

[00:36:28] Oh my god. So I have no idea. Yeah, things like that. And it's stuff that, you know, I've learned along the way like so like 

[00:36:40] Lindsay: if you know You have to cross that bridge. Is that a cost that you yeah, I factor it in. You're like, hey, yeah Yeah, I wouldn't be driving here if it wasn't right this trip 

[00:36:49] Jennifer: and you know when I tell people, you know I'll people say hey, can I get a quote for this?

[00:36:53] Okay. Sure. I'm gonna give you the worst case scenario Your horse is the only horse on this job. [00:37:00] If I get other horses either going in the same direction or on the way back, which is the goal, 

[00:37:04] Lindsay: like, Right, you don't want to run, run a DFT. No, 

[00:37:08] Jennifer: um, you know, obviously that's gonna decrease your price and it's gonna depend on everybody's point A and point B.

[00:37:14] Like that's, it's just gonna all factor in and I kind of will let you know when we get close to the date. But a lot of things, um, I've seen like just watching some of the forums on Facebook and things, the horse hauling, a lot of scammers, 

[00:37:29] Lindsay: this bargain basement of like 50 cents a mile. Like, 

[00:37:33] Jennifer: and how are they doing it?

[00:37:34] Nope. Yeah, between the price of diesel and def fluid and oil changes and tires and, and 

[00:37:42] Lindsay: easy pass. Yeah, absolutely. There's toll roads from everywhere. That, and some of these people are running, when I got Pete, I got Pete from St. Louis. He took, uh, he took an overnight to get to my place and dropped him off at four o'clock in the morning.

[00:37:57] Right. And, uh, yeah, it was a crew of two or [00:38:00] three guys and they were taking shifts and who was sleeping in the backseat just so they could drive overnight. Just keep driving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's all got to get factored in. Insurance covered, what does your insurance cover? 

[00:38:14] Jennifer: So a lot of haulers will do different things.

[00:38:17] Um, I have both commercial insurance and horse liability insurance with horse liability, you can do a very comprehensive or a very limited, you know, the commercial is going to cover a lot of things like I get in an accident and I get, you know, this happens, that happens. Um, and your horses on my trailer, like I talked about before, if you hire somebody that doesn't have commercial insurance, you could be liable for some of those costs where my 

[00:38:44] Lindsay: something as simple as I had a deer, you had a deer or the horse gets loose and the horse is now running amok on the highway.

[00:38:52] Jennifer: Yeah, and some of that sometimes or usually is covered under liability insurance. So I also have [00:39:00] a equine hauling limited liability. So. Something like that happens. A loose horse, a horse gets ill or injured on the trailer.

[00:39:08] Lindsay: They do make really good, um, videos on Facebook, by the way, to watch a horse just running down a Texas highway, but not for, yeah, it's, 

[00:39:16] Jennifer: it's crazy.

[00:39:17] It's, you know, and so many things, I mean, they're flight animals, so. You know, something happens, it's just gonna amp them up and game on. 

[00:39:29] Lindsay: Yeah, and they're fast. Yeah. I mean, hence the horse racing industry, 

[00:39:32] Jennifer: right? 

[00:39:34] Lindsay: Which you are very familiar with. Uh, where are we down? I think we touched on this one. Very close as we wrap things up here, um, best preparations a horse owner can do outside of like, we got, we covered practice with your horse, we covered please shovel your driveway, let me know what direction we're going, anything else that a horse owner should [00:40:00] have prepped and ready to go.

[00:40:01] Jennifer: Um, for big trips, well really for any trip, um, I don't like to grain horses a lot. Um, when I take horses and we're going to have layovers, they generally just get as much hay as I can shove into them on the trailer and at the layover.

[00:40:16] Lindsay: Is the hay something that you're providing or you're picking up from them?

[00:40:18] Jennifer: Either. I, I always have it, but if they, if the owner wants to provide it, if they have a picky horse, if they have a horse with no teeth and they need something, Besides soaked hay, like if they're getting wet cubes or whatever, um, generally the owner will provide it. , and the layover bars generally have it as well, but again, it depends on the horse and the owner, like what their preference is.

[00:40:40] Lindsay: Can I get a horse and just will not drink water unless it's mine? 

[00:40:43] Jennifer: Yeah. Um, and that's. You know, that's a big thing to think about. Like a lot of times my water jugs that I carry in the trailer, like I'll fill them at the farm where I pick up the horse just because of that. Well water's different, city waters are different, you know, everything is, and they're so picky on stuff [00:41:00] like that.

[00:41:00] They are. Um, the only time I really drain them during travel is if they need some sort of medication and I will, you know, give them a handful or two just to get whatever we need to get in them. 

[00:41:12] Lindsay: So that's actually a question I was going to ask because I'm like, I know I'm a person that. I believe in Omeprazole.

[00:41:19] I like, let's get that stomach taken care of because ulcers are the last thing I want to work with. If we're doing an overnight trip, is, are you comfortable giving a medication to a horse? 

[00:41:30] Jennifer: Yep, absolutely. Um, I won't do anything, um, IV or IM. Just, there's just more liability to that. Definitely giving any kind of oral medication is fine.

[00:41:40] And for the longer trips or a younger or older or no nervous traveler. I, you know, I will always recommend protecting their gut as much as you can. Um, another big question I get is asked is leg wraps and blankets. 

[00:41:56] Lindsay: I've had some transporters that, uh, [00:42:00] they were obsessed with wrapping the legs. 

[00:42:02] Jennifer: Yeah. 

[00:42:02] Lindsay: And I had others where they're like.

[00:42:04] At your own will. 

[00:42:06] Jennifer: Right. So, you know, most of us that have been in the horse world for any period of time know that leg wraps are a blessing and a curse. They can totally damage a horse's legs just as easy as they can protect them. If your horse has never had any kind of leg wraps on, the first time that they're going on my trailer is not the time to do this.

[00:42:27] That's something that should be practiced with them, like when they're stalled for a period of time or, you know, when There's not that stress of the trailer ride, not the first time they're getting in a trailer for a, you know, 10 hour run or whatever. Um, cause the thing is, is if I'm not going to a layover, there's not a great place for me to get to them to re wrap if something comes loose or something's too tight or, you know, whatever the case may be.

[00:42:56] There's not really a safe way for me to get under them in the trailer and fix that. [00:43:00] And,

[00:43:02] kind of the same goes with blankets. Both of the trailers I have are insulated. And yes, if there's one horse in them, they're not going to be crazy hot, but there's also windows, and I can adjust temperatures based on how the horse looks. I'm fine with shipping coolers, but again, don't give me your weanling in a blanket.

[00:43:24] No. But they look so cute. They do. And they look, you know, it looks very professional when you walk off all wrapped up. And I am not mocking anyone that does. If you want your horse wrapped, if you want to wrap it, that's all you. , but I don't want to take that risk of your horse, you know, fidgeting with a leg wrap or getting hung up on a blanket strap.

[00:43:46] Look, I can't watch the camera the whole time I'm driving 

[00:43:50] Lindsay: the half winger and it's cute little wrap. I could imagine Let and see we get the legs over the bar. Yes, we clip the let's let's [00:44:00] just clip or halter on something random Yeah, and get the rest, you know thing on your blanket clip to something else.

[00:44:06] Yeah, it sounds like a delightful time 

[00:44:07] Jennifer: Yeah, absolutely. That's you know, you hear a lot of swearing coming out of my mouth 

[00:44:11] Lindsay: at that point like fiddlesticks and fundrapper. Yes 

[00:44:16] Jennifer: And oh my god, what did you do? 

[00:44:20] Lindsay: I can tell from Experience with you that, um, you're amazing when the person on the other end of the phone is nowhere near their own horse.

[00:44:33] Is relying on the verbiage of their farm sitter that goes, hey, your horse just ain't looking right. Right. And you're trying to coordinate this while on the road going, you know what? I don't care what's happening. I don't care the cost. I don't know what's going on. I'm going to a wedding for crying out loud.

[00:44:52] I don't have time for this nonsense. And they call my bed going, get your butt there. Call you. Yeah. And like, [00:45:00] everybody go, I don't know what's happening, but we're just going to Cornell. 

[00:45:04] Jennifer: But the thing, Lindsay, that,

[00:45:05] Lindsay: by the way, it's a 

[00:45:06] Jennifer: mirror with a full. Yes. Have they been in a trailer? The thing about you and people like you is.

[00:45:14] We're like, well, it's one of Lindsay's horses, so it's gonna get on the trailer and all will be fine. 

[00:45:20] Lindsay: Everybody asks me, like, how do you get your horses to do that? I'm like, I just expect them to. Yeah, it's practice. And, and that's the thing. I do. I like, I spend the time when they're young and I just stand there and I don't get on the trailer.

[00:45:36] I'm not the type of person that walks on the trailer. Come on, honey. Come on, honey. Get out of the trailer. I'm like, no, get your butt on the trailer. I get on there. You get on there, you know, and I will stand there until they make the decision to get on the trailer. Good job. Now, get off. Yeah. Now, get back on.

[00:45:49] Now, get off. Now, get back on. 

[00:45:50] Jennifer: You know, it's We don't know, like, you know, there's places where I've picked up. I was way up in New England one time and I get there and there's not really anybody to help me except [00:46:00] maybe a one lesson kid. And this course was like, no, I'm not getting on a trailer.

[00:46:04] And I'm like. I just drove all the way up here for somebody in Rochester that bought this horse up in, I think I was in Maine, and it was an hour process getting this horse on the trailer and I'm thinking, uh, but with that said, my mare is a horrible, horrible loader and she's like 16 years old. My baby loads better and my big guy, he just self loads.

[00:46:25] There's nothing worse than when the shipper's horse doesn't want to get on the trail. 

[00:46:30] Lindsay: What are you gonna do?

[00:46:31] 

[00:46:31] Jennifer: You can see it in their face. Like there are some that are terrified and some that are legitimately terrified. They've had an accident. They've had something happen. And that's just a lot of on and off and short trips around the block and on and off and short trips around the block and over and over until they like erase the bad from their mind.

[00:46:49] Lindsay: And even my own horses, you say like oh it's one of Lindsay's that'll get on, like I've sold horses before, cool. Unfortunately, had a medical issue, had to go and [00:47:00] spend extended times at a veterinary office, and then just, you know, that experience traumatized him to the point where they're like, no, I'm never getting on a trailer again because something bad happens.

[00:47:08] Jennifer: , I think the biggest thing is, is, you know, like having just some calmness. Like you can't get mad. The minute that we get amped up there, like they check out and being able to kind of read their face there, there is a time where you have to call it. There, there is a time.

[00:47:28] Lindsay: That's why I was wondering, I'm like, where's your butt? Cause you see it. Like, anything over an hour, it's not happening. 

[00:47:36] Jennifer: Yeah, I mean you, I just, I watch their eyes. And you can see when they have just checked out. It's kind of like when you see a sick horse and you know that it's time. There's just a look in their eye where they're done.

[00:47:51] And no matter what you do, I mean you could try and beat that poor thing into the trailer, and you're just not going to. I'm just not going to do that. Like, [00:48:00] I will be firm with a horse, especially one that wants to kill me loading. Um, you 

[00:48:05] Lindsay: know, I've had, you can be firm but not mean. 

[00:48:08] Jennifer: Firm and fair. Right. I think that's the way that we all should train and handle our horses is, you know, we're little compared to them.

[00:48:15] We have to have a level of understanding. 

[00:48:17] Yeah. You know, sometimes one of the hardest things that I've come across is is the emergency transport and knowing what your horse will load easier on makes it so much easier for us as the shipper and your veterinarian when they're making that middle of the night call.

[00:48:38] If you know your horse won't want to step up. You need to have someone in your back pocket that has ramps. If you know that they won't go into anything but a stock trailer, you need to have someone in your back pocket that has a stock trailer. Like, some of them are just more comfortable based on what they were trained in or what they're usually on.

[00:48:55] Um, and it's just really good to know that in an emergency time, if you board your [00:49:00] horse, it's really good for your barn owner to know what they'll get on. Like, free, like in your case. You're at a wedding in Indiana, and one of your horses needs to go. What do you tell your farm sitter? Like, who do I call?

[00:49:10] Like, who, you know, what, what kind of trailer is this horse gonna get on? 

[00:49:14] Lindsay: You were, you were my first call. Like, I got to be, I'm like, I knew your trailer. I knew, I knew what setup you had, and that's the thing. If you are the type of person, you don't own this, talk to your vet. Yeah. Listen to this podcast.

[00:49:30] Talk, well, we're gonna discuss how to contact you here in a minute. Yeah. A year out, say, call these people, Hey, let's run through an emergency situation. It might cost me a couple, you know, bucks to do this. But that security is worth it. Peace of mind. Oh my 

[00:49:45] Jennifer: gosh, it's so worth it. It's 

[00:49:47] Lindsay: huge. And it's 100 bucks.

[00:49:48] Yes. If you've never been in that emergency situation, you can't think that. No. You can't. Your brain does not function. You are so worried about a problem that you can't think of the [00:50:00] logistics. You are the logistics queen. 

[00:50:02] Jennifer: And don't be like offended if I, you know, I was telling you a story earlier before we started, you know, where I actually had the owner just step away and it's, it's the separation like, yes, I feel bad for this horse.

[00:50:15] I hate to see it in this condition, but I don't have the attachment. This isn't the horse that's in my backyard. So step away, let me load and then I will let you kiss your horse on the nose or whatever, you know, whatever you want to do. Okay. But 

[00:50:29] Lindsay: you do have puppy therapy. 

[00:50:31] Jennifer: I do have puppy therapy. And it's funny because a lot of people are starting to, you know, there are a few people in some of the bigger barns I go to that they can't remember my name, but they'll say, you know the shipper, the woman with the curly hair and the puppy.

[00:50:44] It's like my trademark. 

[00:50:45] Lindsay: Look, we're in a structural situation, pick my dog. Yeah, 

[00:50:49] Jennifer: she's the therapy dog. You know, go with her. She really is a therapy dog. She's like, you know, she's a golden retriever, so she's happy all the time. Everything in her world is unicorns and glitter and rainbows. [00:51:00] Awesome. 

[00:51:01] Lindsay: Well, thank you so much for talking with me tonight.

[00:51:03] You're welcome. I appreciate it. Um, tell our listeners how they can get a hold of you if they do have an emergency, and, or who they should talk to if it's their vet, or should they contact you directly? Yep. So, 

[00:51:14] Jennifer: my phone number, 585 295 3553. Um, you can call or text. If I don't answer, sometimes the best way is to just text 911, horse, or something.

[00:51:26] Um, if I don't answer

[00:51:27] Lindsay: not to text 9 1 1, but yeah, to text my phone, um, and that'll kind 

[00:51:32] Jennifer: of tell me like I have to pick up now if I don't answer it's maybe because I'm loading a horse or riding my horse or, you know, just doing something where I can't quite get to the phone at that moment, um, the vets in the area all have my number.

[00:51:44] Um, I think I'm speed dial some weeks. Yeah, 

[00:51:49] Lindsay: they're, they're talking to you and Mary. Yeah, man, I swear there's sometimes where I think both of you are in the parking lot at the same time. Oh, I know. 

[00:51:56] Jennifer: We, we were joking one day with Dr Lee back at Genesee [00:52:00] Valley about, you know, girl power. It was all the women vets on the road and all the women haulers on the road.

[00:52:05] But Um, there is a third hauler, um, and I'm just pitching this out because he's legal. Um, Chris Anderson, he's out of Shortsville. And, uh, he's, he's amazing. I would put any of my horses on his trailer any day. Um, he's, I, I do some work with him now and then. We ping pong jobs off of each other, just depending on who's heading in what direction.

[00:52:27] Um, so between, between Chris and Mary and myself, like, you know, we try to get you if we can. We can't always, but we'll try and get you if we can. And 

[00:52:36] Lindsay: I've, I've had folks actually post on the Rochester trail riders page, help. I need an emergency horse. Yeah. And I've tagged you. I've tagged Mary. I take anybody I know.

[00:52:45] I'm like, that is legal transport to Colquitt. And I think both of you guys, you know, you've hit them up and, and off you go. Yep. You're amazing stewards. And I appreciate the services that you provide. Mary, I thank [00:53:00] you very 

[00:53:00] Jennifer: much. Appreciate the service. It's good to get all this information out too. The horse community.

[00:53:05] Lindsay: Well, thank you very much. Yeah, you have yourself a good evening, too. Thanks for having me. Okay. 

[00:53:09] Jennifer: Bye. Bye. Bye 

[00:53:11] Lindsay: wraps up today's show. I'm going to make sure that all of the professional transport names that you heard in this podcast are available in our show notes. And if you are part of our Facebook group of Rochester trail riders, please know that any ads that I approve on there for equine transportation have been vetted and they are insured and have all the licensing and all the requirements they need to haul your horses safely.

[00:53:45] If you find this information useful, please leave some feedback. I'm thinking I might give the next three people a Rochester Trail Riders patch. If you leave an actual [00:54:00] review of this episode on your favorite podcast. So Apple Podcasts or Spotify or Amazon or wherever you guys listen. Leave a review, let me know, and I'll send you a patch to the first three people that do. 

[00:54:11] Well that wraps up today's show. As always, respect the trail, wear a brain bucket, and leave no trace at your trailer site. Happy Trails!